Tch. Well I can't say I'd blame you. Maybe you'll understand after I explain it I guess...
[Deep breathes Eikichi.]
It's uh...about the world you guys live in...
...it's not...
fuck
this is hard
okay we failed because the fucking philemon and nyarlathotep used us to test out humanity and then he fucking stabbed our friend and she died and he won and the earth blew up then we had to forgeteachother so that the fucking asshole won't cause it again but fuuuuuuk theworld you guys in is like the otherside we were supposed to forget but the point it
can you imagine it
having to forget everything
having to forget your childhood friends for the sake of the world and humanity
cause that's what happened
it sucks it really sucks
i only know this cause he fucking tried again in the new world and used another of my friends as bait this time and he gave me my memories back
if we all remember the two worlds would fuse and that means the earth being dead again
so surprise i have two livetime's worth of memories in my mind
now that i remember it hurts so much i hate knowing we couldn't have changed it
and that he's stuck on the other side alone in a floating city above earth that's completely destroyed
and that's what fate decided to give him like fucking saved the world thats what he gets!!
fuck man idk
i know if we meet u guys it will come up we can sense other persona users thats how i know about ryuji
[He does not. Like okay he gets that this stuff is Complex and he's dealt with some complex stuff too but that's confusing.]
Sounds to me like that is what keeps happening. History repeating itself.
Anyway, that sucks. It also sucks that we won't remember anything when we leave this place to return to our world. And neither will you. We will all forget everything that happens here, so.
I don't know, I guess it's not something we can or will act upon?
Anyway, our group stopped the Metaverse and the real world from being fused, so. You should take solace in the fact that whatever force repeatedly attempts to assail mankind, there will always be people ready and willing to fight back.
We've heard of a number of groups of Persona users before us now, and there will no doubt be others after us.
If I recall correctly we've heard of two others, aside from you guys.
Honestly I don't think there was any way conversations would not get awkward between generations of Persona users. Hell, things between our own group have been somewhat awkward.
But thanks for the heads-up? Not really sure what to tell the others yet, though.
Excuse me for thinking that it was important to say we have memories of another universe?!?!...like I get this place bends time and space and shit but Ryuji legit asked me if I was there at the big end of the world party, how was I supposed to react?!?
Sorry for like, giving you my life story...it's just that and the Joker combo that got me. I'm glad you guys managed to beat it and I'm glad we all have a future to continue...
I also think there's been persona users since forever, Igor mentioned that like...Carl Jungo was a persona user? I think that's his name...
idk tell them what you think's important? we can sense other persona users, we talk with our Personas uh, we got memories of two lifetimes, let them know that Philemon is a dick - wait they'd already know that, Igor's pretty okay I guess so party in the Velvet room...I'm still kinda bummed we can't visit it here. Are you guys still like plagued by your city having rumors coming true if enough people believe it?
We never met a Philemon, unless that's another name of Yaldabaoth.
Hmmm. Well, in a way yes, but not completely. The Metaverse is shaped by the cognition of people, and for a moment the worlds merged, but otherwise I don't think rumors really do much.
Yaldawhat now? Sounds more like something you'd say before vomiting.
Uh Philemon is Igor's boss? Unless you never met Igor before which would be weird. How else could you guys switch Personas around, right?
Huh so the Metaverse is what you guys call the Collective Unconsciousness then?
That's
100% for the best
Imagine if you spread a rumor that you could buy real weapons and armor in a clothing store. At first that sounds great, but if people start making weird rumors that other believes it becomes really bad, real quickly. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemies.
Ah. Actually, the Igor we met initially was a fake. Yaldabaoth had locked him away and assumed his identity for the majority of our engagement.
Yeah, that's what it is. Metaverse, Collective Unconscious, Cognitive World. It can at times sway the real world if messed with, but for the most part things stay relatively separate.
No, that sounds like a terrible mess. Peoples' beliefs belong in the Metaverse, and it's best they stay there.
Yo what what the fuck. So Philemon is gone which is good, but Igor is getting kidnapped? Dude what the for is this Yalodidi guy. He didn't have tentacles right?
Yeah...I've been there myself. Hated it.
Exactly. I'd explain more but honestly it just sounds like I'd be making shit up about what happened to us.
He was a god of some kind which had made some kind of bet, I think with Igor...? To see whether humanity would want to be saved or not or something. It's stupid and needlessly complex, but in the end it was basically that he decided humanity didn't believe in us and wanted the world to end so they didn't have to make decisions for themselves?
He didn't have tentacles though, just lotsa hands.
I think that's basically how it is for every group of Persona Users. Don't worry about it, you don't need to explain yourselves to us. We won't explain much about ourselves either, you'll find.
IGOR IS MAKING BETS NOW?! THAT GOOD FOR NOTHING BIG-NOSED DEMON-CALLING GRANDPA...URGH!!!
Well that's good I think. It's probably not the same guy as us.
Guess it makes sense. Whenever shit shows up, send out the Persona users to deal with it and hope it sticks.
The fact you guys fought this guy with a million hands and no one believed in you tells me all I need to know honestly. When the city was floating in space, people were excited about being the chosen ones and not caring if earth got blown up or not due to it. Fucking disgusting how people can go crazy in the spin of a dime.
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Let's try to stay on topic. We can talk about the Joker thing later. Alone.
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Ryuji made it seem important
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IT IS FUCKING IMPORTANT OKAY! GOD it's just hard to say or explain, especially in text.
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And honestly after this reaction I'm not really inclined to meet you in person, but feel free to use voice if you'd prefer.
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[Deep breathes Eikichi.]
It's uh...about the world you guys live in...
...it's not...
fuck
this is hard
okay we failed because the fucking philemon and nyarlathotep used us to test out humanity and then he fucking stabbed our friend and she died and he won and the earth blew up then we had to forgeteachother so that the fucking asshole won't cause it again but fuuuuuuk theworld you guys in is like the otherside we were supposed to forget but the point it
can you imagine it
having to forget everything
having to forget your childhood friends for the sake of the world and humanity
cause that's what happened
it sucks it really sucks
i only know this cause he fucking tried again in the new world and used another of my friends as bait this time and he gave me my memories back
if we all remember the two worlds would fuse and that means the earth being dead again
so surprise i have two livetime's worth of memories in my mind
now that i remember it hurts so much i hate knowing we couldn't have changed it
and that he's stuck on the other side alone in a floating city above earth that's completely destroyed
and that's what fate decided to give him like fucking saved the world thats what he gets!!
fuck man idk
i know if we meet u guys it will come up we can sense other persona users thats how i know about ryuji
they used us
so thanks for listening i guess
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[He does not. Like okay he gets that this stuff is Complex and he's dealt with some complex stuff too but that's confusing.]
Sounds to me like that is what keeps happening. History repeating itself.
Anyway, that sucks. It also sucks that we won't remember anything when we leave this place to return to our world. And neither will you. We will all forget everything that happens here, so.
I don't know, I guess it's not something we can or will act upon?
Anyway, our group stopped the Metaverse and the real world from being fused, so. You should take solace in the fact that whatever force repeatedly attempts to assail mankind, there will always be people ready and willing to fight back.
We've heard of a number of groups of Persona users before us now, and there will no doubt be others after us.
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[ Tatsuya's here with the really helpful information. ]
Anyway, I think Eikichi just wanted to explain why some conversations might get awkward. Not sure how it became this big thing.
[ He only joined this conversation because Eikichi started screaming about Joker. ]
But it's good to hear about other teams.
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If I recall correctly we've heard of two others, aside from you guys.
Honestly I don't think there was any way conversations would not get awkward between generations of Persona users. Hell, things between our own group have been somewhat awkward.
But thanks for the heads-up? Not really sure what to tell the others yet, though.
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Excuse me for thinking that it was important to say we have memories of another universe?!?!...like I get this place bends time and space and shit but Ryuji legit asked me if I was there at the big end of the world party, how was I supposed to react?!?
Sorry for like, giving you my life story...it's just that and the Joker combo that got me. I'm glad you guys managed to beat it and I'm glad we all have a future to continue...
I also think there's been persona users since forever, Igor mentioned that like...Carl Jungo was a persona user? I think that's his name...
idk tell them what you think's important? we can sense other persona users, we talk with our Personas uh, we got memories of two lifetimes, let them know that Philemon is a dick - wait they'd already know that, Igor's pretty okay I guess so party in the Velvet room...I'm still kinda bummed we can't visit it here. Are you guys still like plagued by your city having rumors coming true if enough people believe it?
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Hmmm. Well, in a way yes, but not completely. The Metaverse is shaped by the cognition of people, and for a moment the worlds merged, but otherwise I don't think rumors really do much.
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Uh Philemon is Igor's boss? Unless you never met Igor before which would be weird. How else could you guys switch Personas around, right?
Huh so the Metaverse is what you guys call the Collective Unconsciousness then?
That's
100% for the best
Imagine if you spread a rumor that you could buy real weapons and armor in a clothing store. At first that sounds great, but if people start making weird rumors that other believes it becomes really bad, real quickly. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemies.
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Yeah, that's what it is. Metaverse, Collective Unconscious, Cognitive World. It can at times sway the real world if messed with, but for the most part things stay relatively separate.
No, that sounds like a terrible mess. Peoples' beliefs belong in the Metaverse, and it's best they stay there.
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Yeah...I've been there myself. Hated it.
Exactly. I'd explain more but honestly it just sounds like I'd be making shit up about what happened to us.
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He didn't have tentacles though, just lotsa hands.
I think that's basically how it is for every group of Persona Users. Don't worry about it, you don't need to explain yourselves to us. We won't explain much about ourselves either, you'll find.
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Well that's good I think. It's probably not the same guy as us.
Guess it makes sense. Whenever shit shows up, send out the Persona users to deal with it and hope it sticks.
The fact you guys fought this guy with a million hands and no one believed in you tells me all I need to know honestly. When the city was floating in space, people were excited about being the chosen ones and not caring if earth got blown up or not due to it. Fucking disgusting how people can go crazy in the spin of a dime.